Forums » Ideas » Tell Amazon that the commission changes are unfair to workers and will result in lower pay, less work, and the loss of valuable requesters!

It seems that the media is picking up on this:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/carolineodonovan/changes-to-amazons-mechanical-turk-platform-could-cost-worke

Of course the part about me writing the guidelines is obviously not right, I asked them to revise. So maybe now is a good point to get Turker voices out there. If anyone contacts me I’ll direct them to this thread.

Also, the people over at coworker.org contacted me and offered to help out with this campaign. So let me know!

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dark_bird_of_paradise and frightened_owl

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What if the concrete action plan is to collate a site with the main complaints and critiques, and open letters? Something that emphasizes in aggregate the challenges that this raises. It could include a brief letter at the top summarizing a position that this is bad both for requesters and workers.

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clear_mountain_lion and frightened_owl

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We definitely need to get media coverage of it, Amazon hated the coverage of the letter writing campaign - which means it got noticed.

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aggressive_gorilla, light_dragonfly, and frightened_owl

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I’ve seen a lot of great reasonings about this on forums, how does this sound: email them all to info@wearedynamo.org I’ll put them on a wiki page and we can organize them. Then we’ll publish them on a public page similar to the letter writing campaign (www.wearedynamo.org/dearjeffbezos).

How do you want to bring requesters on board?

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aggressive_gorilla and frightened_owl

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Lots of requesters are complaining via #mturkgate on Twitter. I think we can ping those who posted on that hashtag.

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clear_mountain_lion, aggressive_gorilla, and frightened_owl

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I love that $10 / hr fee reduction idea because it seems like a virtuous cycle – Amazon encourages people to pay more, increases their own revenue, and helps workers. But for those employers who don’t want to pay that much, the situation is exactly the same as it is today.

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light_dragonfly, aggressive_gorilla, and frightened_owl

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I love that $10 / hr fee reduction idea because it seems like a virtuous cycle – Amazon encourages people to pay more, increases their own revenue, and helps workers. But for those employers who don’t want to pay that much, the situation is exactly the same as it is today.

The problem is that it’s impossible to calculate. a) The mTurk timer is broken. b) The mTurk calculator, as a result, is also broken, and typically not in the workers’ favour. c) All it takes is a few botters doing $600 an hour while the rest of the workers are doing only $6/hr on HITs because they’re autosubmitting to skew even a working calculator. Plus it causes issues for Requesters who mainly pay through bonuses.

It’s a great idea, but technologically moot.

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frightened_owl

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Dan Goldstein (Principal Researcher at Microsoft & Fellow at London Business School) posted this in a FB group:

“Hey all, Just got off the phone with the product managers at Mechanical Turk and suggested they implement a discount for anyone doing academic research. They seemed receptive. I think if we tweet enough about it, it could happen.”

https://www.facebook.com/groups/475067639308343/permalink/475614882586952/

https://twitter.com/dggoldst/status/613426339496878080

If anyone has a Twitter account, it may be helpful to retweet that tweet from him to show support for a discount for academic researchers.

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The campaign is live!! Help by completing the Wiki: http://wiki.wearedynamo.org/index.php/Mturkgate

I’ll publish the content of the wiki on the public page once it’s done: http://www.wearedynamo.org/mturkgate

I suggest using Google forms to gather support/information from Turkers and requesters once we publish this. This way we can show aggregated data of the people who support the letter (e.g. how many HITs they have done, how much they spend on MTurk, etc.).

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careful_owl, frightened_owl, and joyous_panda

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The wiki page is from the same wiki we used for the previous campaigns so if you got an account then you can just use the same one. Your login will be the same as your Dynamo id (e.g. Light dragonfly)

If this is your first time editing the wiki, go to the front page on Dynamo and click on the green “Activate” button. This will activate your account on the wiki site.

Happy editing!!

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frightened_owl

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The campaign is live!! Help by completing the Wiki: http://wiki.wearedynamo.org/index.php/Mturkgate

I’ll publish the content of the wiki on the public page once it’s done: http://www.wearedynamo.org/mturkgate

I suggest using Google forms to gather support/information from Turkers and requesters once we publish this. This way we can show aggregated data of the people who support the letter (e.g. how many HITs they have done, how much they spend on MTurk, etc.).

Maybe this person will want to redirect to the public page? Or at least collaborate somehow? http://www.reddit.com/r/mturk/comments/3awtkx/mturkgatecom_need_to_be_built_out/

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Sure, ask them to join!

Let’s set a deadline for this. I’ll publish what we have in the Wiki on Sunday, June 28th at midnight (unless you object). This will give us the weekend to work on it and people will read it when they get back to work on Monday.

Please join in writing. You can edit the Wiki directly, or post text to this thread. I think whatever the next step is (media, Tweetstorm, gathering support from requesters and Turkers, etc.) we need to have a clear message and request that shows Turkers as well informed, skilled workers who should be listened to.

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aggressive_gorilla and frightened_owl

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I’m not sure if this Wall Street Journal link was shared yet. It was nice to see that the media has taken some notice. http://blogs.wsj.com/digits/2015/06/23/amazons-mechanical-turk-fee-hike-irks-researchers/

Two researchers are commenting there on how this will impact their research; one comment is about possibly docking worker pay.

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light_dragonfly, aggressive_gorilla, and frightened_owl

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I think we should gather all this as proof. We can also start gathering more information from supporters (requesters/turkers) about their work on MTurk and how it will change after the increase takes effect. We can aggregate all this information to show the negative effect this change will have on the system. Maybe through a Google form?

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