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Tell Amazon that the commission changes are unfair to workers and will result in lower pay, less work, and the loss of valuable requesters! Vote for it here!

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light_dragonfly, obedient_otter, tense_ringworm, frightened_owl, joyous_panda, and crazy_snow_leopard

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More information about the commission changes:

http://mechanicalturk.typepad.com/blog/2015/06/following-up-on-our-commission-structure.html https://requester.mturk.com/pricing

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frightened_owl

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Thanks for posting careful_owl! While people are joining the campaign, lets use this time to figure out an action plan. Are you thinking of collectively writing an open letter?

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frightened_owl

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Some random ideas: - Look at whether employers actually lower their rates compared to the old commission structure and publish a report showing it by collecting data from across requesters? Then try and get journalists or widely read bloggers to cover it? It could be a really interesting story not only because it would establish the facts of the situations, but it would also show off Turkers amazing analytical skills, breaking the image of Turkers as low-level data processing workers. - Make demands that if Amazon wants to increase their commission rate, they should also set a price floor for paid tasks? - … will keep thinking….

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light_dragonfly, colorful_dart_frog, frightened_owl, joyous_panda, and crazy_snow_leopard

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This idea reached the threshold for launching as a campaign in 3 hours! What do you want to do? Lets talk. I like tense_ringworm’s idea. What do others think? Do you want to start tracking available HITs?

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I think the sad truth is that Amazon just does not care. When it comes to workers, they couldn’t possibly care less. I hope this does something good, but I’m not expecting it to.

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frightened_owl

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I think Amazon cares about losing business. I’ve been seeing tweets from people talking about putting more time and energy into alternative markets, and if it looks really credible that there’ll be a huge exodus on July 21st (the day before the pricing scheme changes), they might back down/reverse.

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frightened_owl

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i think many very intelligent people who work at amazon have determined that this move will make amazon more money. it’s a waste of time to speculate and hope that they won’t make the commission rate change.

the rational thing to do is to look for other sources of income because there’s a very good chance work on Mturk will dry up next month.

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frightened_owl

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I think as far as workers, Amazon doesn’t care, but I also think they do care about losing money (though how they don’t see it coming after this is hard to see). So, I think it’s the requesters we need to give voice. We could start contact requesters, ask what their move will be, if it’s okay for us to say it officially, and present that data. It would need to be organized so that one requester wouldn’t get a message from 20 people, but if we set it up, I think we’d get data from people willing to say they will leave once this starts.

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frightened_owl, blueeyed_beluga_whale, inquisitive_falcon, and frantic_lynx

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Some random ideas: - Look at whether employers actually lower their rates compared to the old commission structure and publish a report showing it by collecting data from across requesters? Then try and get journalists or widely read bloggers to cover it? It could be a really interesting story not only because it would establish the facts of the situations, but it would also show off Turkers amazing analytical skills, breaking the image of Turkers as low-level data processing workers. - Make demands that if Amazon wants to increase their commission rate, they should also set a price floor for paid tasks? - … will keep thinking….

There are enough Requesters on Twitter and forums saying they’re pissed, we could gather them up and some Turkers who want to talk about it and approach the media, especially tech media, and especially the media that covered the Bezos campaign.

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frightened_owl

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I think Amazon cares about losing business. I’ve been seeing tweets from people talking about putting more time and energy into alternative markets, and if it looks really credible that there’ll be a huge exodus on July 21st (the day before the pricing scheme changes), they might back down/reverse.

If they cared so much about max exodus they wouldn’t have effectively blocked international Requesters by forcing them to use Amazon Payments. If you look at the mTurkTracker graph from that time, the HITs plummeted thereafter. This may be a change in order to make up for that loss, and the loss of major players like Crowdflower and Oscar Smith.

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frightened_owl

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Tossing this idea out there. Petition Amazon to add a reduced commission for requesters who’s hits pay an average >$10/hr.

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tense_ringworm, frightened_owl, and frantic_lynx

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Tossing this idea out there. Petition Amazon to add a reduced commission for requesters who’s hits pay an average >$10/hr.

Similar: I saw a requester post on Twitter a letter he sent to Amazon to ask for an exemption for academic requesters. Here’s his letter and reasoning - https://twitter.com/azimbelman/status/613157244033724419

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frightened_owl and frantic_lynx

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Tossing this idea out there. Petition Amazon to add a reduced commission for requesters who’s hits pay an average >$10/hr.

I would love this idea, but it’s too user-friendly for me to think Amazon would agree to it. Amazon has always been very back-seat in their own platform, which is one of the reasons users have made Turkopticon and such. This price increase only shows, once again, that they’re very much a business who will focus on money rather than the userbase.

I would sign this petition in a heartbeat and get others too, but I really think it will take an obvious loss of income to make them notice.

So, I think that’s what we need to show them. We need to get names of requesters who will leave. From there, getting turkers opinions will be very easy. I liked the idea someone had of then taking it blogs and such, if taking it to Amazon doesn’t help.

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frightened_owl

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I have no ideas I just wanted to post this is terrible so that my opinion is out there. Although taking screenshots of the uproar on twitter last night, plus anywhere else would probably be a good message to send them.

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I think the sad truth is that Amazon just does not care. When it comes to workers, they couldn’t possibly care less. I hope this does something good, but I’m not expecting it to.

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frightened_owl

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I wish I had a better model of Amazon’s goals. I can’t really figure out the pressure points without knowing what benefit they hope this will bring. Do they think the cost-sensitive requesters are hurting the market?

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light_dragonfly and frightened_owl

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This was just at the end of a survey:

“Note - Amazon has announced that they will charge significantly higher fees to requesters like ourselves beginning July 22nd. Unfortunately, our research budget won’t change. This means that we will unfortunately have to post fewer HITs. Before that happens, we just want to thank you all for all of your hard work over the years. We’re sorry we won’t be able to work together nearly as often.”

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light_dragonfly and frightened_owl

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A number of people have asked me to launch this campaign since it now has 40 upvotes. Although I don’t really know what the call to action is yet. These are the ideas that people have mentioned so far :

1- Look at whether employers actually lower their rates compared to the old commission structure and publish a report showing it by collecting data from across requesters

2- We could start contact requesters, ask what their move will be, if it’s okay for us to say it officially, and present that data. […] I think we’d get data from people willing to say they will leave once this starts.

3- There are enough Requesters on Twitter and forums saying they’re pissed, we could gather them up and some Turkers who want to talk about it and approach the media, especially tech media, and especially the media that covered the Bezos campaign.

4- Tossing this idea out there. Petition Amazon to add a reduced commission for requesters who’s hits pay an average >$10/hr.

(I’ve listed ideas that have some call to action on Dynamo, there were other ones like finding a new source of income)

re excited_iguana: maybe if requesters who are against this (willing to leave) say how much they spend on MTurk or how many HITs they have posted it will convince Amazon that it hurts the market. They say that >10 requesters are only 0.3%, but these requesters may be power requesters who post much more than 0.3% of the HITs. Although if this is the case I have no idea how they haven’t noticed it.

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